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what's up everybody and welcome back to another episode of locations unknown I'm

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your co-host Joe erato and with me as always is a man who uses a bell to tell Pavlov when to feed his dogs Mike Vander

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Bogart uh thank you Joe and thank you once again to all of our amazing listeners uh for tuning in to locations

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we'll probably play it we will probably play it at some point um quick correction here from episode 76

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that was the case on Daniel Robinson from the Sonoran Desert uh we had said a

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couple things about snake bite treatment at uh the 21 minute Mark and we obviously said the first

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thing you should do is seek medical attention um but then we still do that still do that that part doesn't change um but we

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also mentioned using a tourniquet or mechanical suction if you can't get to a hospital so many of you who listen

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um we had some calls we had some emails uh correcting us on this and um according to the Wilderness Medical

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Society practice guidelines uh both methods of treating snake bites are not recommended uh so don't do what we just

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said about snake bites other than the met the seeking men I'm gonna have to change my bandana that shows to treat

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snake bite to tourniquet and use a suction device so if you want to learn more about how to treat snake bites

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there's a huge study they did and they have this manual and everything and we'll post a link to it and you can go read that

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Corrections um one gentleman like spent a whole paragraph talking about how he loved the show and then he's like but

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thank you August 20th 2004

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12 year old boy scout was on a camping trip with his troop and his father in the uena wasash cash National Forest the

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Scout and his father went off to go fishing at a nearby lake at some point the boy got wet and decided to head back

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to Camp to change this was the last anyone saw of him join us this week as

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we investigate The Disappearance of Garrett Alexander Bardsley

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so the case this week is taking us all the way over to Utah to the uena wasash

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cash National Forest I don't think we've done a case in Utah not that I recall I looked it up but I don't think we have

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okay well if you looked it up I'm gonna go ahead and say that you you got it right uh so this sub location this is uh

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the cue burnt uh kubernet Lake uh that's at an elevation of 10 426 feet so it's a

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mountain lake that they were camping by and finishing at I looked up the highest lakes in North America and I think the

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reason why this one's not counted is because it's small because it's that's really a it's up there yeah I mean I

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looked at the list it would be like number two oh okay so it's just not it must be big enough to be must be need to

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be bigger or deeper or something to be counted well I don't I don't know if I didn't I don't know if I agree with that

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I didn't spend enough time looking in that there's probably a very specific subset of standards that determine if

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you're a lake that's big enough to be mentioned it's probably a guy somewhere US Forest Service office that his whole

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job is to he just leans back in his chair with his arms crossed and people submit lakes and he just goes no

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smoking a cigar just loves his authority that is not factual so the national

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forest is 1.6 million Acres if it was a national park it would actually be the

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10th largest uh and larger than the Everglades so it does make up a substantial amount of space in Utah it

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looks really cool too yeah somewhere I would hike yeah I would totally go there uh it was established in

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1906 and sees around 9 million visitors annually according to the forest Service

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uh the history of the area long before the Europeans arrived prehistoric Fremont Shoshone Shoshone and UT Indians

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lived in The Valleys following the fish in the lakes and streams and the big game of the surrounding mountains early

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mountain men Trappers and explorers began to arrive in the 1820s with the promise of abundant Wildlife lured the

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Trapper such as Jim Bridger and kit Carlson and Jedediah Smith Peter Skeen

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Ogden and John Weber were two explorers whose names have remained their

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Explorations were critical to providing information used by the Pioneer settlers who followed by 1846 Wagon Trails were

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rattling down Weber Canyon from Fort Bridger passing through present-day Salt Lake City and on their way to California

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the ill-fated Donna Reed party followed the route through hanifer east

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of Ogden where they left Weber Canyon opened a new Trail across the mountains and in and the Great Salt Lake Desert

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a monument in emigration Canyon marks a spot where Brigham Young early leader of

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the early Mormon church reportedly declared that this is the place to the first Mormon pioneers in 1847. that's

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where he found the tablets in his backyard is the Book of Mormon play yes that's from Trey Parker and Matt Stone

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uh they gave an interview on that and they talked about how like well they the Mormons took that play yeah they're like

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yeah they took out ads in in the the thing it's like you saw the play now read the book where the ads like they're

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actually genius marketing the play was really good it was really no one is funny if anyone listening hasn't seen it

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yet and if it ever makes it to your city go and see it it's really good it's yeah so these early Pioneers were also

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dependent on the resources from the forest to build their cities irrigate their crops and raise their livestock

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the rocks for the construction of the Mormon Temple were quarried from Mountain outcrops

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throughout the forest traces of early industry critical to the Pioneers can be found such as Kilns used for producing

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mortar and cement and Sawmills mining in the Little Cottonwood Canyon brought new settlers to the Wasatch Front

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unfortunately a great deal of resource damage soon resulted from over grazing and uncontrolled fires watersheds were

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so heavily grazed and severe summer floods occurred in regularly polluted Water Supplies Timber was free and lagers removed all

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the choice trees presidential Proclamation created the Wasatch National Forest in 1906 and the cash

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National Forest in 1907 to protect the valuable resources so good thing they did that yeah or they

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would have over logged everything the watersheds above Ogden city became so polluted that a major typhoid outbreak

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occurred by 1923 the problem had become so bad with domestic cattle and sheep carcasses decomposing in the wheeler

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Creek a critical source of Adkins drinking water that local Ogden residents became determined to reclaim

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the land and restore the environment can you imagine I mean I know we still have our environmental problems with like the

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train derailment in Ohio but um all these protected lands can you imagine going hiking and just as far as

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the eye can see just like decomposing cattle yeah I mean well and this is so I I take an optimistic approach to life or

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I try to at least and how I look at it is you can look at what we're doing now as terrible the worst thing ever or you

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can look at it as we're constantly getting better yeah because back then I would say they weren't doing the stuff

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on purpose there just didn't know yeah they was like yeah this is just what we do yeah and uh

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and then they just and then they realize holy cow we all have typhoid we can't drink the water the trees are all gone

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everything's falling apart uh maybe we should conserve this more and then that's how these efforts started so

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yeah not good that the stuff happened but we learned from the past we're learning now you know we're creating new

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chemicals and stuff that are causing problems and we're learning hey maybe don't do that well and it's cool to see that you know if you went hiking in this

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area now it's completely you know it's rehabilitated by Nature um but yeah I

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just I find it interesting how um bad some of these areas were yes at the time of the forest creation yeah

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glad those times are over I like the beautiful Force so here's some interesting facts about Utah in Utah

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there's a town called 11 and 11 is Naval backwards and 11 is in the center or is

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the naval of Utah so there you go there sounds like that

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Mormon guide figured that one out yeah because of the state of Utah's high elevation and desert-like climate its

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snow is dry and powdery hence Utah claims to have the greatest snow on Earth

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approximately 75 million years ago Utah was part of a landmass called laramida Lara media this land mass was

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hot swampy and full of dinosaurs which makes Utah one of the best places in the United States to find dinosaur fossils

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in fact the world's largest Raptor lived in Utah known as the Utahraptor it

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measured over 23 feet long making it larger than any other known rafter that is definitely terrifying because let's

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assume it has half the ability of the Jurassic Park movie Raptors well that's still terrible what's funny is and

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someone probably who is a paleontologist will rip us a new one for this but I saw a documentary that the Raptors used like

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actual Raptors at that time were like dog-sized and they had feathers okay not

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like the terrorists that's like the that's like the bird Theory comes from yeah a lot of the dinosaurs back then they actually had feathers not what you

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see in Jurassic Park yes um there obviously were bigger Raptors but the ones they use in Jurassic Park

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were not like realistic it wouldn't be very scary if they're getting chased on

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a hallway by yeah a raptor the size of like a well a golden retriever well if

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they have those claws I guess those little who is the character that those those little ones killed remember

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they're like biting them but there's like thousands of them yeah so if you get a pack of dog Raptors he's the guy

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who plays the Cosmonaut on Armageddon yes yes can't remember his name yes and

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I have no idea why I know that yeah because well don't talk about them because last

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time you talked about one of your actors you like they died like a day later yeah I won't yes don't even talk about them

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because he's a great b-lister that I that I enjoy yeah also was in one of the John Wick movies

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um so Utah we'll go back to the facts Utah wait one last thing do Mormons not

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believe that dinosaurs existed uh is that one of their tenements I have no clue we should probably looked that up

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you look it up because I thought I just hit me that would be kind of funny that it was founded in the state that

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literally has the most dinosaur fossils I'm looking it up right now uh you probably dug up the tablets next to a

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dinosaur fossil Utah was the site of the nation's first department store the Mormon leader

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Brigham Young founded the Zions Cooperative Mercantile institution or zcmi in 1868 in Salt Lake City the 130

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year Enterprise finally shut down in 1999 when the Mormon Church sold the store to the Macy's Corporation wow

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that's a long run Utah is the only state where every

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County contains some part of a national forest that's awesome the location of the first ever KFC wasn't in Kentucky

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but 1500 miles west in Salt Lake City Utah the iconic fried chicken recipe was

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first served in the cafe of Colonel Sanders friend and Utah native Leon W

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Pete Harmon Pete was his nickname Utah has a third most national parks of any state after

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Alaska and California that's actually pretty significant because of the size of Utah relative to

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the other two yeah like Alaska is huge California is huge so the fact that it's

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got that many parks means I mean it literally is they're everywhere yeah Salt Lake City Utah has more plastic

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surgeons per capita than any other city in the United States Utah is the second driest state in the

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United States after Nevada on average Utah has about 300 sunny days a year I

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want to move to Utah all right let's talk about the climate so climate info

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was not really readily available for the national forest so this is going to be the climate of the small mountain town

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of Camas Utah which sits at an elevation of 6486 feet and borders the national

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forest to the West so our friends at the copen climate classification system said

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that this area is a warm summer humid continental climate abbreviated dfb on

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climate mats the hottest temperature recorded was 101 degrees Fahrenheit on July 13th in 2002 while the coldest

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temperature recorded was negative 31 degrees Fahrenheit on December 21st 1990. I want to move there yeah those do

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not seem extreme to me after living in Wisconsin um so just to cut in here Mormons and dinosaurs I've spent a whole minute

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researching this so I could still be wrong but the general consensus that Google immediate search says the Google

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immediate search says that Mormons generally do believe in dinosaurs okay so all right maybe they found the

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tablets on a fossil if we have any Mormons listening let us know leave a voicemail and let us know if what your

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beliefs on dinosaurs are completely irrelevant yes but we do want to know because I like learning things I

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do hottest months are from May to September where the average high temperature ranges from 65 to 84 again

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perfect temperatures coldest months are November through February with average lows around 15 which is completely

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sustainable anytime it gets below zeros when I I start losing it yes yearly

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average rainfall 16.6 inches and yearly average snowfall Is 96.9 inches

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terrain due to the sheer size of the UNA Wasatch cash National Forest describing

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its geology is complex for the undertaking indeed while the majority of the eastern

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and Northern parts of the forest are the Western Rocky Mountain sub-range the westernmost extent of the force is

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actually within the Great Basin rages the force is located within the heart of most of the mountainous section of Utah

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and it includes the vast majority of the mountains in and around Wasatch Front so

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it's mostly Mountains for the most of this Forest yeah I'll skip through some of this it goes into way too much detail

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uh interestingly while the vast majority of the force includes Peaks that are part of the western Rocky Mountains uh

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uh including the Stansbury mountains actually part of the Great base so we said that in many ways the forest marks a transition zone between Jagged peaks

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of the Rockies and the undulating range Basin Topography of the great basins to the West so I can see where like those

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images are of how beautiful it is just has a little bit of everything yeah it is kind of a mix which is awesome if

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you're like want to get a taste of all that stuff while you're hiking yeah so some of the animals you will expect to

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see there elk mule deer moose mountain goats coyote black bear bighorn sheep

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cougars and rattlesnakes now remember what to do with rattlesnake bites we just started the show listen to us

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yeah use the new information use the new and seek medical attention first uh

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another thing we've mentioned this in other episodes we don't talk about all the time widowmakers or trees falling trees and branches are an ever-present

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Hazard when traveling or camping in the forest you want to make sure you are not putting your tent underneath a tree

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that's leaning over the tent yes uh it's more common than you think for a tree to fall and then if a whole tree falls in

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you while you're sleeping you will probably not make it yeah they're big and not heavy probably probably won't

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yes uh flash floods flood awareness can be especially critical for campers a flash flood can happen at any at a

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moment's notice any time of the day any time of year it is nearly impossible to see the water depths and the force of

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the current when a flash flood happens and it doesn't have to be raining by you no so that's where if there's storms you

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know up hill somewhere you want to be even area of it miles away yes so yeah

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the how that works is the desert ground doesn't absorb water so it just flows freely yeah many people enjoy sleeping

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under the stars and develop campgrounds and dispersed areas in the National Forest favorite campsites are often near

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streams and rivers people don't expect a sudden Rush of water towards their tent or campers always be alert so that's where your streams and rivers will just

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check the weather gorgeous with water yes before you go hiking outside of that your normal things that can happen in

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the wilderness hypothermia Mountain sickness heat exhaustion and these all come from the National Forest Service on

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this location yeah so they just pluck these out of yeah this isn't just random yeah uh caves and sinkholes overlooks

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decaying structures Old Mines changing roads and trail conditions so those are all the things you want to take into account while you're hiking always

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remember don't hike alone plan your trip carry plenty of food and water protect yourself from the Sun wear appropriate

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Footwear clothing stay on the designated trails and if you want to hear more on that listen to our patreon episode after

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this yes and if you're not a patreon member sign up and then you'll get it watch your foot when you're near Cliffs and a watch for the slippery areas

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that's always the worst you get a little too close to slip off done uh Carey small first aid kit flashlight

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Compass matches be prepared for in aware of any changing conditions and avoid

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bare Ridge tops exposed places lone trees and cell phone coverage will vary

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now Mike let's get into our character profile so the character profile for

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this episode is uh Garrett Alexander Bardsley date of birth was 724 1992 he

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went missing August 20th of 2004. he was a male age 12. he was five feet tall 105

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pounds he had light brown hair and it was down to his shoulders he had hazel

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eyes he had a also got a gap between his two upper teeth and a birthmark on his right

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forearm clothing he was last seen in black hooded Quicksilver pullover

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sweatshirt size medium reversible Nike sweatpants one side Red Silky fabric with a black

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and white stripe on the legs and the other black mesh with a red white stripe on the legs a white T-shirt possibly

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with writing on it Nike ankle socks and white Converse sneakers with a black or

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navy colored star on the sides size between six and eight

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uh obviously he was a child so no occupation we don't know of any medical

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issues or personality issues he we don't know how you know he's 12. he

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can't be that experienced in the wilderness but he did pass the Wilderness training course offered by the park Council so he did have some

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basic understanding on what to do if he would have gotten lost and since they're kind of from this area

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that's what I was going to say based on like how many national forests there are and he's a scout yeah to me that seems

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like they probably you do the scouting stuff that's relative to the area you're scouting yeah they probably did a lot of

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stuff in the wilderness yeah that is an opinion obviously but they were from Elkridge Utah so

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I don't know his experience in this exact location but it's probably safe to say that him and his dad have probably

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gone out fishing before hiking or whatever and the fact that he passed the Wilderness training course it's probably

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a course for children but still it's better than what most kids probably do uh it's better than what a lot of adults get before they go out in the wilderness

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honestly yeah so you know he had some experience and like I said we're not sure if he had experience in this

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location uh and Joe if you're watching this on YouTube or just threw up his image right now he'll be showing some pictures of

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the area and everything so I'll try and describe them uh for people who just listen as we hit them they're

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not going to be anything pivotal I know we had a couple people saying that it stinks when you do it but yeah the

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images that we show in this podcast are not necessary to follow the story yeah it just adds you'll just have to bear

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with us explaining it for a minute or two maybe Joe not even 30 seconds yeah

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um so we'll we'll go right into the timeline so this starts off August 20th of 2004 which is a Friday 8 A.M uh 12

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year old Garrett Bardsley uh and his father Kevin got up early while on a Boy Scout camping trip they headed down to a

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nearby lake called kubernet one in the you need you need uh

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uh I need to help you on this one yeah the t is silent Yuna yup yunia I'm

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getting it how do you say it you are I'm scrolling up to where it is just so I can read oh I put my curse

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Uno wasash cash we'll cut that out you in a mountain in Utah for some fishing

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we'll leave it in uh the Father and Son lived in Elkridge and we're camping with

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18 Scouts and six or seven adults uh from Thursday August 19th and plan to

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leave on Saturday Garrett managed to get his shoes pants and socks soaked with water while

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fishing and told his dad he wanted to walk back and change back at Camp

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because he didn't like being wet so his father or he told his father he wouldn't

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be long and would be soon back fishing with him

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so the rest of the Boy Scout group were camped just up the hill at current 4

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campsite which was only about 150 to 250 feet away so not very far gee that's

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like I have my I have a son that's that age and it's just like yeah it's making me sick even thinking about it so

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and they had walked this Trail several times before so Kevin let his son head back to Camp alone while he continued

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fishing because he thought it was no big deal and it really wasn't because it was only I think their campsite was only

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about maybe uh 100 feet from the lake

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like very seeable in a direct shot like it's yeah you kind of hear it Joe's

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looking at it I hear it see it like you or well if that I meant if there's that many people in the camp yeah in the

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woods and it's quiet you can hear that yeah so the other locations we're talking about

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are not very far away from each other so it's a very strange for this

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disappearance to happen um so like I said his father didn't think it was a big deal to head back to

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Camp alone but just in case Uh Kevin kept his eyes on Garrett as he walked around the lake and even shouted direct

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directions reminding Garrett which path would lead him straight back to camp uh after about 20 minutes though Kevin

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wondered what was taking his son so long to get back he decided to return to the camp to see

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what happened and Garrett was nowhere to be seen none of the other boy scouts had seen him at the camp either so

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that that was now he's missing I'm like getting chills not a good one not the

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good it just not the good chills yeah it's well it's just like like I said it hits closer to

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home when it's like a kid that you have a kid that's that same age yeah because my son we go camping yeah and if Camp

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was that close and there was a path to it yeah I probably would be fine with him walking there by himself and I'm

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just like picturing what would be going through my head if I couldn't find him and then I'd be losing my mind I would go insane yeah it's not a good uh

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situation but actually shockingly only about 40 minutes after he was last

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seen the search began so this is really unheard of in the cases we've covered sometimes it's

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days to weeks before the search happens best case scenario it's usually like 24 hours before they get people out there

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but yeah so the campsite was less than a quarter mile from the lake on a well-established

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path that connected with the road another quarter mile away a family friend had said the distance to

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Camp from where they had been fishing was no more than 150 paces so more than 200 Volunteers in search

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and rescue team members searched into the night on Sunday August 21st for Garrett who uh like we said was wearing

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a hooded sweatshirt and reversible black and red sweatpants additional search and rescue teams from

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Cache County joined the teams in Utah Salt Lake Wasatch and

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Dutch dutchness counties he had no supplies with him or backpack he was

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carrying a short black and chrome ice fishing pole when he went missing

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so search goes on for multiple days nothing is found and then they actually get a

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break in the search on August 24th of 2004. so search or scouting uh scouring

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the rugged mountains on Wednesday for uh Garrett believed they found a sack

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belonging to him the Nike sock was found in a Boulder Field about half a mile from the last place the POI was seen the

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sock appears that it was taken off a wet foot wadded up which was very consistent

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with what we what they knew about Garrett Summit County Sheriff Dave Edmunds said

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um he goes on to say because of where the sock was found Edmond said it would be

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in line with the assumption that he sought shelter from the cold weather Maybe by going into the Boulder Field uh

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for a crevasse or outcropping something to try to get out of the weather Edmonds said Rescuers would concentrate

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their efforts in the in and near the boulder field for the boy who now they're pursuing is dead

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um around this time Utah's bow hunting season actually was kicking off and the authorities and

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um Garrett's father were urging any Hunters out in the area to keep a lookout for uh Garrett Kevin's Kevin

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Bardsley Garrett's father went on to say he hopes hunters in the area will keep an eye out for his son or any of his

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belongings but he recognizes that searching through 30 inches of new snow would be fruitless so obviously it

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snowed a lot the Sheriff's Office also had tacked up posters of Garrett near

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trailheads and distributed them to businesses in the area moving on to August 28th of 2004 which

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is now a Saturday this would be the last full day of searching for Garrett the Bardsley family had hoped Saturday would

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be the day they found a clue in Garrett's disappearance about 500 volunteers

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more than arrived the previous two days which tracked at 360 and through an 18 but far less than the 1500 the family

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was prepared to accommodate showed up to search most teams concentrated on areas

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deemed to have a high probability of holding clues or a sector organizers felt hadn't previously been searched

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thoroughly volunteers were aware of Saturday's importance unlike Thursday and Friday

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many search teams held a group prayer before departing for the rugged terrain in the mountains uh sadly though in the

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end their prayers were not answered many bones presumed to belong to animals and scraps of clothing and garbage were

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collected over the three days but Summit County Sheriff Dave Edmonds said none of it was related to Garrett

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uh he was then quoted saying it leaves us believing he's still out there and we will make a find one day

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it's now August 29th 2004 just Sunday the search was officially discontinued

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uh they obviously found no sign of Garrett officials had said that a

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three-mile radius in the rugged mountains from where he was last seen was thoroughly searched so

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a very strange case we've got a few more details in the timeline here so

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now it's a timeline range August 29th of 2004 to October 24th of 2004. after the

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official search was halted the family and a good number of dedicated friends and strangers continued search efforts

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returning at least two or three times a week uh we know here's a quote from Kevin

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we know that is often discouraging at the end of the day when we haven't found him or any signs of them but we want you

31:51

to know that every area that we search gets just gets us that much closer to

31:57

finding him uh that was written by the father on October 11th which was posted on the find garrett.org

32:04

website his father went on to tell the desert Morning News uh that Friday that he is

32:10

hoping hunters in the area uh will pay particular attention so

32:15

you know the hunting season you do have a lot of guys especially bow Hunters just out in the wilderness

32:23

um you know they're good good tools to oh yeah look for Clues

32:29

it's a ton of Manpower that's just out there they're out there anyways yeah so if you see anything out there they can

32:34

report it's going to help yeah so the father went on to say that um Summit County search and rescue team

32:39

will continue to do some periodic searching and training exercises through the winter

32:46

um I the father goes on all right I was up there yesterday passing out flyers and maps to Hunters we have information

32:52

posted at the mouth of the canyon both directions and in Oakley asking people to look

32:57

and what they should look for but right now unless the weather warms suddenly and melts everything where everything uh

33:03

were shut down so pretty sad into the the search for Garrett

33:10

um we're gonna fast forward several years now to August 3rd of 2009. I want to throw one thing in there yes that

33:16

because I was looking just for random images yeah um another boy it's not shown on the

33:22

screen but a boy just a few months later went missing right in the same area oh

33:27

yeah they um so Kevin Bardsley uh Garrett's dad was among the volunteers

33:32

that searched him they actually found the remains the 11 no the 11 year old alive oh they did they didn't find gear

33:38

but like it was a boy a scout 11 years old like almost a very similar story went

33:44

missing but they actually found him four days later wow but uh Garrett's dad was in the Searcher among the Searchers so

33:50

you can tell he's like and that is a common thing we've seen in other cases where the parents will join in on

33:57

searches for other people in the same area that they know the pain yeah and they know the area because they know the

34:03

area they know and they I think they can relate to the the parents of the other people so he helped he helped find that

34:10

other kids that's kind of if you go to their website they actually have a list of people that have disappearances in

34:18

that area that they've been tracking and updating so they they're continuing to

34:23

try and help other people that go missing in this area yeah um all right so we're fast forwarding a

34:30

couple years where originally people thought there might have been a break in the case so like I said August 3rd of

34:36

2009 The Summit County Summit County Sheriff's Office received a tip from the

34:42

America's Most Wanted television program that Bardsley was spotted with two men at a grocery store in Nevada at the end

34:48

of July um this is a quote from that's very

34:53

specific yeah that's like like what do they have do you have info on well I'll

34:58

probably go with tip okay yeah get ahead of me here I am sorry uh so a female in Elko Nevada explained

35:06

that she was 20 sure that she saw Garrett Bardsley in a Smith's in Elko

35:12

Summit County Sheriff's Office detective Ron Bridge said in a telephone interview

35:17

he goes on to say we receive a lot of tips like this but this one actually came through America's Most Wanted so it

35:23

was a little different for us the Sheriff's Office sent an investigator that uh to retrieve video footage from

35:30

security cameras at Smith's Food and Drug Center in Elko he went on to say we have seen the

35:37

Smith's footage from their security camera it's not 100 clear but the possibility of it being Garrett Bardsley

35:43

is very very slim so in the end they ruled it out but for a moment there they

35:49

thought I mean how amazing would that be to find out that he was alive yeah that'd be incredible and what kind

35:55

of story let's do that like well that it's it would be crazy it'd be good that

36:00

he'd be alive but it'd be clearly like a kidnapping of some sort yeah and like um what's the syndrome

36:07

where you actually start to like empathize with your Nightingale syndrome or no not that one no I'll look at it

36:12

it's um it's similarly I can't think of the word um okay I'll I'll you keep going I'll

36:18

I'll look it up it's gonna as soon as I look it up I'll I'll be like oh yeah yeah um so

36:25

before we wrap up the timeline I found a post on Stockholm syndrome Stockholm

36:31

syndrome you were kind of close I was talking about Florence Nightingale yeah

36:36

um well Florence Nightingale syndrome is um what is that one that's uh a caregiver falls in love with a patient

36:43

oh so it's it's it's similar yeah it's someone falling in love with someone who they're not supposed to yeah necessarily

36:51

um so I found this post from a gentleman named Dave on the website backcountrypost it was from June 17th of

36:59

2012. I don't normally include this kind of stuff in here but he had pictures and he actually did the hike and was pretty

37:05

much standing in the same area that Garrett and his father would have been fishing and so these are the direct posts from this

37:12

gentleman and Joe I'll be pulling them all up Joe be pulling up some pictures that

37:18

um just to show the area so uh this poster goes on to say high elevation hiking in the uh you need a

37:26

I no there's no tea you and uh Yuna I'll never get that right in mid-june not

37:32

something one can do every year this quick out and back trip meant to capitalize on that Nick and a co-worker

37:39

of mine put both put the story of Garrett Bardsley back in my head independent of one another I'd covered

37:45

the story when it originally happened along with the deaths of Carol weatherton and Kim beaverly which are

37:52

two great Mysteries the area which we'll probably have to check out at some point yes having never been to the crew rent Basin myself it seemed good to Target

37:59

for a Day hike I drove out to the North Slope on Friday night after work arriving late I set up uh for a night

38:05

sky shot taking advantage of the moonless sky before heading off to bed morning came quick I made it on the

38:11

trail by about 8 A.M round about the same time Garrett disappeared there are only two other vehicles in the past Lake

38:18

trailhead lot and I passed no one on my hike into the basin the trail which later splits and also

38:25

serves the Camas lofty Lake Loop crosses the edge of a beautiful space called Reed's Meadow this is the headwaters of

38:32

the main Fork of the Weber River it provides a commanding view of the 11 708

38:37

foot Reed's Peak due south uh Jose yep that's Reed's Peak up there showing that picture for those listening I'm showing

38:42

a picture of Reed's Peak which is a Giant Mountain which is a mountain yes that's your description let's move on

38:49

um so beyond the meadow the trail ambles along to the southern base of the 11 340

38:56

foot Mount Marcel it skirts along the lower slope of Marcel as it climbs and then drops into the cube root basin as

39:04

near as I can tell from eight-year-old media reports Kevin and Garrett Bardsley were fishing on the bank of crew Brit

39:09

number one when he soaked his shoes and socks so oh yeah this is real small yeah

39:15

that's why it's not on the list it's almost like a pond if this was on the list I'd say get it off that list and

39:20

then you take a buff of yourself I'd be right next to that guy at his desk with his arms crossed get it off the list you

39:26

take the light and shine it in his eyes yeah yeah wow we're going off the deep end here

39:32

there we go um he goes on to say the rest of the Boy Scout um group were camped just up the hill at

39:38

Cube number four display image number three that is the other Lake

39:44

um the trail Between the Lakes is short but much more faint than the trail leading to the Basin this shows the

39:50

rough location of the trail in relation to the Lakes that's the path so this is an image of

39:56

Google Earth with the trail marked in red for those listening

40:01

he goes on to say it roughly follows the outlet from cube root number four that at times flows down to number one Kevin

40:08

Bardsley has said that he saw Garrett miss the trail the father called out to his son and pointed out the mistake

40:14

Garrett then headed up into the trees and was never seen again he goes on to say the train is

40:21

wooded in Rocky from within the trees it can be hard to get one's bearings the slopes of Marcel rice sharply on the

40:27

East but the West Southwestern Horizon opens into a wide expanse of the Middle Fork of the Weber he goes on to say to

40:35

Garrett get lost and wander aimlessly in that direction question mark he goes on to say I'm not so sure even a

40:41

12 year old could recognize after 30 minutes to an hour of wandering that he is hopelessly lost when they when they

40:48

walk when the walk should have taken two or three minutes tops I'm gonna stop right

40:53

there I don't think so having been lost a lot you your drive is not to think like a lot of

41:00

times people wander for hours and you gotta think and you're a 12 year old's mind yeah

41:06

um this is like the weird thing that comes into play that happens to people when they're in distress they get embarrassed

41:13

yeah so that's where I think like an adult might start calling out if he doesn't want to seem like

41:20

weak or something like that he might be like I can figure it out I can figure it out and then continue to overly confident yeah or even like still scared

41:27

but like I don't want to call for I just think of my boys like we don't trait we don't treat them this way but they're

41:33

totally trying to suck it up yeah and I I don't know if it's natural for boys or whatever but I remember when I was 12

41:39

you want to be tough you want to be seen as like Macho even though you're not because you're 12 but I could imagine

41:46

and this is just my opinion this is not based on any fact that if he ate maybe

41:52

he didn't think he was lost or maybe he's like okay maybe I'm lost but I can figure it out I can figure it out well

41:57

and at that age I think this comes with this comes as you get older with wisdom

42:02

it did air quotes um when you looked right into my eyes yeah when you're uh when you're young

42:09

you don't uh you don't necessarily think about the

42:14

like where this could lead like what terrible outcomes could happen from

42:20

becoming totally lost you're soaked it's cold out like you're probably you know you're not thinking those kind of

42:27

thoughts as an adult who's done you know a decade of hiking the second I'm lost I'll be thinking about that yeah and I

42:33

think to um it's almost like movies make it worse because you think bad things happen and there's like a crescendo that like

42:40

denotes a bad thing yeah and in real life when there's a death or an accident it just it just happens yeah and then

42:46

it's like you have to process what's happening like you just a lot of the times especially when you're lost yeah you're

42:53

already in it and I think people expect to like slowly become more lost and more or less but like they don't realize like

42:59

no you're you're you are already lost yeah and once you get once you realize you're

43:06

lost you may start to panic and panic will lead to making more bad decisions

43:12

and that is in a case of an adult yes who you know children children's brains

43:19

aren't fully developed yet and I don't think it's reasonable to expect some adult frames are adult brains aren't

43:25

fully developed I don't think it's it's reasonable you know to I don't think it's um

43:31

you should expect that a child would necessarily make the right decision yeah

43:36

in this kind of situation I agree yeah because they they don't have the experience of it they don't you know they're not fully developed yet so

43:43

I could totally see him wandering around a while and then panicking and wandering

43:49

even more um so I gotta find where I was

43:55

um so yeah I stopped right here I you can click oh it says oh because the base is an Amphitheater sound carries very

44:01

well calling out from within a quarter to a half mile of Camp could have roused the troops that's a good point no one

44:08

there were no reports of him yelling like if he were lost like that's kind of where I was thinking hey hey hey yeah

44:16

that's where I'd think like a 12 year old boy among peers yeah many you don't want to go back to camp and be the guy

44:22

that got lost yeah exactly like and that's a real thing that can happen not even that

44:28

they'd be bullying him but more like buddy buddy like oh you got lost totally got lost and you're like I don't want to deal with it I mean probably bullying

44:34

everyone's been a kid yeah like especially yeah technically that's bullying these are scouts that live in

44:40

the mountains like if one of them like got lost yeah I remember when you got lost oh way to go like it would be stuff

44:46

like that you just shake it off like yeah you're like yeah I did if it was your buddies for it you'd be like

44:51

whatever but as a kid that's a big deal yep um oh 100 yeah so um the the poster

44:57

goes on to say Garrett's story bothers me even more now that I've scoped out the train there are plenty of possible

45:03

scenarios from loss of injury to abduction to animal attack but none really seem to jibe uh for me in any

45:09

case I headed up to Kubrick number four circled around to its eastern Edge and started up the boulder field I didn't

45:15

include the rest of his posts because it wasn't really yeah um just an image of the Boulder Field yeah pretty wide open which sound would

45:21

carry there yeah there's no trees blocking it it's pretty sparse like you could hear someone from pretty far away

45:27

yeah and uh at the time of his disappearance it was cold and I think it

45:33

it rained and hailed oh so okay he's wet it's cold oh okay so that's not that's

45:40

dire yeah um all right what do the authorities think so I have a couple theories I'm

45:46

gonna hold on to them uh 30s believe the boy may have become just do you want to say it nope say it disorientated nope

45:54

disoriented it's you annotated so both ways of saying it if are correct did you

46:01

look this up someone is it like is it nuclear and nuclear someone sent an email and uh so it's it's someone like

46:09

you who says it disorientated they're sick of people telling them it's wrong um so he got confused on his way back to

46:15

Camp there you go and might have such sought shelter uh as temperatures plummeted and you're 18 degrees that

46:21

night that's freezing uh the mountainous train about 50 miles east of Salt Lake City

46:26

has altitudes between nine and ten thousand feet the local police also ruled out

46:32

um kidnapping or abduction based on the evidence so I think pretty solid theory is in line

46:40

with what authorities said is exposure I think if if he got lost and he's wet

46:46

there's absolutely no way he's surviving that night yeah 18 degree weather

46:51

um he probably I mean that makes sense like if they found a sock he probably went in the

46:57

hypothermia and was starting to you know paradoxical undressing taking yeah taking socks off and

47:04

um I think another possible Theory we've talked about they're very rare but Cougar Mountain line attacks on children

47:10

yeah um I saw a video 12 year old's getting a large enough where it'd be 105 pounds I

47:17

saw a video Yeah someone posted I was looking on YouTube and I saw a video Someone posted of a mountain lion

47:24

dragging a full adult deer like up a tree just or just Donna death just CR

47:30

like he had a trail camera out yeah and the mountain lion just walked by dragging a full Buck yeah so this will

47:36

be sound a little morbid but I feel like you'd hear that yeah because I would if I was to I'd be screaming yeah like

47:42

probably a volume that I would not normally be able to achieve because adrenaline like unless he was wandering

47:48

and wandered away from the group and then was attacked but even then mountain lion cougar attacks are incredibly rare

47:55

yeah especially in daylight they're nocturnal I believe yes

48:01

um at least that's when I've seen them they're but whenever I've seen the prince they've always turned up after night I've I went to your hunting as a

48:07

kid I know how heavy bucks are and when I saw that video of a mountain lion dragging a buck yeah and it's not it's

48:13

not field dressed yet no so it's a full-sized deer and it was dragging it so you know it's not out of the realm of

48:20

possibilities but like we said very unlikely um there are you know Bears black bears

48:26

in this area but again they're very afraid of people they're not going you know they're not

48:31

gonna attack someone um I don't know what do you think I think first first I'm going to start with um

48:38

your pronunciation of disoriented um you're right and wrong oh the word

48:44

you're saying is an entirely different word with the same meaning oh there's disoriented and disorientated they

48:51

generally have the same meaning but it's two separate words okay so you're still reading the word wrong but you're

48:57

replacing it with the correct word for the meaning gotcha so technically

49:02

I'm wrong for yelling at you oh well thank you and I'll admit it even though you read

49:09

it wrong it still has the same meaning and it does exist I'm never gonna get that word right it's so stupid uh like

49:14

our last episode yeah our thousandth episode right before we retire yeah you'll say it correctly I'll be like huh

49:20

I do it all along all right so my not off the deep end Theory I really think in this case based on the

49:28

images I saw obviously I've never been there so there could be things I don't know yeah I am starting to lean more and more

49:35

towards some sort of crevasse or fall okay where

49:41

he's if he went off path yeah so he's off path if he went into that Boulder Field and

49:47

dropped down like a 20-foot drop yeah it's real small maybe get knocked out or

49:52

injured enough where he can't call out and then unfortunately perish there to me that's like the most reasonable based

49:58

on the images I've been looking at because it's so sparse and I've been into areas uh when I went towards when I

50:06

was trying to do knife's Edge we are up in a outcropping that was very similar to this terrain yeah with more trees

50:12

than this yeah and we didn't get separated but our group split up we were taking two different paths

50:18

and we could communicate to each other by yelling the entire time and there was a significant distance between us yeah

50:25

much more than any of the stuff I've seen here on the map yeah so that tells me okay if he's lost and they're calling

50:32

for him and marching around a he would have been able to hear it and if he wasn't injured he probably would have

50:38

been able to call back so my gut's telling me it's some sort of accident or injury that left him unconscious yeah uh

50:46

long enough to maybe when he comes to if he even does he's hypothermic now and can't do much yeah or unfortunately he

50:54

got knocked out and just perished wherever that accident occurred that's to me like I think that's pretty in line

50:59

with the authorities link okay I mean they think he he got confused and wandered I mean I think I'm in kind of

51:05

the same train as you I think he got he got turned around he's wet with no gear yeah I mean no gear in that

51:13

cold okay odds are still really low but possible we've seen it in this show

51:18

where people have survived for multiple nights with no gear and cold okay exactly but they're dry weddings yeah

51:26

yeah wet is an entirely different story because the the clothes aren't going to dry out I believe the weather was

51:31

already like cold that day so yeah that's what you said before so if it was already cold towards the end of the day

51:36

he gets wet and gets lost yeah I that's that's the biggest recipe for disaster ever and you know the authorities think

51:42

I mean you could see for a small child there might be lots of little things you could climb into like in your thinking

51:49

like I'm gonna hold out for the night in this like yeah and even then sitting on

51:54

those rocks will absorb all your body heat like you don't want to lean up against those rocks you don't want to even touch those rocks because you want

52:01

to go to like Moss or like grass something that's insulated if he like got into an area like that he'll just

52:06

get hypothermic faster and I don't know if you can go like find this Lake on Google Earth yeah I'll pull it up wall

52:14

I'm not showing the screen right now so I'll pop up when I have it I'm just thinking personally if I got lost in

52:19

this area and I don't I looked at the map I can't remember how many lakes there were but my first inclination

52:24

would be to find a lake and like yeah for sure yes and maybe try to get a fire

52:31

going or you know some kind of signal um because

52:38

you know depending on the terrain and how thick a vegetation is they're not going to find you from you know air

52:45

searches but if you're hanging out on a shore of a lake yeah you could do something yeah it's

52:52

put make you know put rocks in SOS or something like that like make some sort of sign bring some logs around yeah like

52:57

show that it's not natural something going on there yeah so what's the lake

53:03

you are ENT all right I'll share while I'm searching so

53:10

oh it's c-u-b-e-r-a-n-t I got it right I copied it from the thing all right let's

53:15

see what it looks like all right yep leaky nice mountains Summit County this is the one

53:21

so that's that's delicious fish yeah so he was on this area here yep

53:27

so there's another lake so he would have been going south okay

53:32

so he would have ended up this looks like it's uphill yeah you're

53:38

not going to be going uphill and let's see where they they this is this is not very wooded yeah well I'm

53:46

where'd they find his sock that was um

53:52

and were they positive it was his I mean they were not positive it was matching the description of the sock

53:59

socks he was wearing and what are the odds of a child's Nike sock being found

54:04

okay out here it it wasn't just a plain white no it was a white Nike sack like

54:09

it matching exactly what he was wearing um oh yeah here it is they uh let's see

54:19

they found uh trying to figure out Mike searching

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54:36

um it was about half a mile from the last place he was seen which was like pretty much in a boulder field okay

54:44

so let's see how far this Boulder Field is from this area not a half mile that's a quarter mile

54:51

not even a quarter mile all right here's another Boulder Field that's almost a half mile away

54:58

so assuming he didn't get that far I don't know I'm doing a radius here

55:04

this it's got to be like this big open area right here I don't know

55:09

it it just doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense other than the fact that if he was already his dad saw him going

55:15

that way yeah we know that this is the only area that's a half a mile away

55:21

everything else is either closer or really far off so it's got to be like right in here and their Camp is like

55:26

right here yeah the only thing I can think of is he was already hypothermic yeah

55:31

heading back to his Camp to change and he just started making

55:37

you know compromise decisions based yeah if you get cold quick

55:43

yeah you won't be able to really talk yeah you won't be able to really move yeah but that's also where I feel like

55:51

this is why I feel like he fell down something yeah they would have they would have found

55:58

I feel like there's a high likelihood they would have found his body yeah I I think because it's so it's not densely

56:04

populated in this area with trees like it's not and the areas that are the most densely populated are near where his

56:10

Camp was yeah so if he's out in a Boulder Field really fun the sock

56:15

the fact that he lost his sock in a Boulder Field means that either he's making bad decisions because of the

56:22

hypothermia the paradoxical undressing but then there would be more clothing the crazy thing is the search started

56:28

only 40 minutes later that's where yeah how far could he have gotten in this train in 40 minutes if I mean if he's

56:33

moving kind of far yeah you can walk now this is mountains so it's slower than just

56:40

like flat ground but you can walk what a mile maybe 20 minutes maybe he went up

56:45

into the bowler field and we don't know if that's Boulder Field or not but maybe he went into one of those to try to get a better View and then for some reason

56:51

took a sock off and kept moving well we can do the worst case scenario uh if you can walk a mile in 20 minutes so

56:57

add two miles there's a lot going on within two miles yeah actually yeah there's a lot of they only searched a

57:03

three mile radius so okay uh I think that's fair because it starts getting very rugged at the two

57:09

mile if I'm doing I'm just for those listening I got the map open and I got this ruler out that just shows distance

57:15

and I'm kind of yeah just doing a circle two miles out from the point of the lake where they were fishing and there's some

57:21

really nasty terrain that I doubt someone a child with smoke here yeah he would reverse

57:29

man 12 year olds I'm just thinking of mine like how far but well here's the deal too

57:36

he might be like I'm gonna go up a mountain to go see better yeah like there's not the I gotta stop thinking

57:42

like an adult yeah because like even as an adult sometimes you look at a hill and you're like oh it's not too bad and

57:48

then you get halfway up you're like holy cow it's the mountains though this is tough this is hard but there's some gnarly terrain when you start getting

57:54

out to a mile and a half away yeah so and they pretty much searched a three

57:59

mile radius of this area but you can see three mile radius is a lot of

58:04

unforgiving terrain yeah and I would hope that I mean when you get to like a mile away

58:10

you realize you're nowhere near where you're supposed to be and what is that is that a road that's named that's that's a river river

58:16

that's just south so yeah there's no real roads the roads are to the North or

58:22

east and but really far east yeah you'd have to cross the river or go over that mountain

58:28

Mount Marcel so chances are I think he fell down something because yeah it fell

58:34

into an area that they weren't easily able to find them yeah unless you're like right on top of it

58:42

and it's that's kind of what I think before it's been what uh 19 19 years now

58:49

no they haven't found anything it remains or anything they haven't found the fishing pole

58:54

so yeah which doesn't mean anything but um it's something that would survive the

59:00

elements longer it's a very it's a remote area it's not like he's in Yellowstone or Yosemite but yeah but you

59:07

got to think people are camping up here yeah the puzzling thing is just how quickly the search started and they

59:13

still couldn't find him that's so sad that lead actually I'm I'm more on your train now

59:19

that leads me to think that he suffered some kind of accident or fall something

59:24

pretty quickly from when he went missing yeah well that's the only reason I keep saying like a hole is I think something

59:30

definitely debilitated him to the point where he couldn't speak or yell or move yeah but then they couldn't find him and

59:36

that's what I'm like he's got to be under a thing now they did say what there's a bunch of snow that came within the couple days

59:42

so maybe it's not done a hole but it could be like in like a depression well

59:48

even the forest service in their their uh documents about safety in the forest

59:54

talk about old mine shafts and things yeah he could have stumbled across an old mine shaft that was

1:00:00

covered with some you know lightly covered with some maybe like went to check it out even or I didn't even know it like stepped on it yeah you know I

1:00:07

don't know that's my that I'm on I'm with you on that one I think the authorities are you know you know one of

1:00:13

those like it's like a perfect storm tragedy yeah like and the search happens so that's what I can't read quick based

1:00:20

on the terrain within a two mile radius yeah he's not moving very far no he's

1:00:25

not covering ground I was being as I would say I was being generous by giving them the two miles saying yeah okay you

1:00:32

can do a mile over 20 minutes the search started at 40. they're calling for a flat terrain yeah that's that's if

1:00:37

you're walking around the block yeah it's not panicked yeah not panic not you know semi-hypothermic wet cold hungry

1:00:44

confused scared all those things so oh that poor kid and the dad and the

1:00:49

family well I I don't know do you have a you don't have an off the deep end do you I don't

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even I don't even have an like there isn't even anything I could come up with that would be awesome I don't think it was animal attack I mean yeah I don't

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think it's kidnapping um yeah I think tragic accident yeah and they just have not recovered The Remains

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