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s of people have mysteriously vanished in America's Wilderness join us as we

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thank you what's up everybody and welcome back to

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another episode of locations unknown I'm your co-host Joe erato and with me as always is a guy who always eats his

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Ovaltine Mike Van de Bogard oh thank you Joe and thank you to all our loyal

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those um just as Joe and I predicted we had

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some controversy with uh Mount San Jacinto that's how because we keep

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saying Jacinto Jacinto so that's Google's fault uh gentlemen on

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Instagram messaged us was he mean about her was he nice about it no he was cool he started off about

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um loving podcast so that's a good way to start off see even in Portuguese they say Jacinto

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reason why we're wrong I mean maybe Mount San Jacinto yeah so I mean we uh

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June 23rd 2021 a geologist was on a job

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site with another co-worker in the Sonoran Desert his co-worker said that during work he simply looked up into the

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distance got into his car and drove off join us this week as we investigate the

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strange disappearance of Daniel Robinson

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so Mike before I get into the location we actually have new news you brought to light that's two days old a day old

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that's very recent kind of related yeah so actually skeletal remains have been

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found in the Sonoran Desert um one place I read about 12 miles from

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where he initially went missing so there's a lot of speculation swirling

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around that these May belong to Daniel but his father has already come out and

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said that it's not Daniel because we'll get into some of the details but he some

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of the items found with the skeleton doesn't make sense with

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um the stuff that was found in this case so there hasn't been any DNA analysis yet so we don't know okay it could turn

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out to be um Daniel Robinson but I just figured right away before we start the episode we'll make note of that because it's it

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just happened yeah and anyone that's listening I did hear about it will just be just a regular in their chair like are

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they gonna mention it yeah so all right so get on with it Joe okay so we're in

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the Sonoran Desert uh Sub locations near the intersection of Sun Valley Parkway and Cactus Road uh when y takes over

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you'll see on the screen I'll be going through some pictures and stuff um it is in Arizona but the Sonoran

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Desert spans approximately a hundred thousand square miles in the southwestern Arizona Southwestern California most of Baja California oh

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and the Western half of the state of Sonora Mexico Southeastern California Southeastern sorry yeah my bad yeah so

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it's roughly the same size as South Korea and Iceland not together just I gave it to independently yeah so there

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you go it's like this if you're watching it's just it's big you're missing that

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um oh yeah I'm not even all the way over so yeah a lot of sand a lot of sand but

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actually there's tundra in the Sonoran Desert oh and tropical biomes all right

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well Joe get in that uh when was it established Mike around eight million

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years ago in the let late miocene period um so it's home to 17 different Native

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American tribes uh home to major cities including Phoenix which is a metro population of 4.7 million Tucson with 1

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million uh Mexicali Baja California 1 million and hermosilio Sonora I I'm

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gonna get yelled at for that one 900 000 I'm gonna throw on that in the so a lot of people live in the Sonoran Desert or

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mausilio is that what do you think it is before I uh that sounds good to me

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hermosilio silo you know Google's not right Nora Sonora

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air mocios Sonora I'm not even gonna try that again I'm

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gonna yeah you get proud you have problem with the L's yeah I do I do uh some interesting facts about the Sonoran

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Desert it's home to the only Jaguar population United States I would not have guessed that I didn't know that I

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just don't assume there'd be any cat species in the desert like out I just don't know why but you because it's such

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a huge area and there's a lot of different biomes it does kind of make sense so it just shows how little I know

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about the snoring desert uh is world it's world famous for its numerous types of cacti that grow in it especially the

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famous seguro seguaro Cactus which only grows there uh this tree like Cactus can

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grow up to 12 meters or 40 feet tall that is actually really cool yeah I didn't know that at all uh cacti aren't

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the only plants that grow in this part of the world as the Sonoran Desert is home to over 2000 different types of plants based on the landscape and

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climate of the Des desert this is the highest number of plants growing in any desert in the world and is mainly caused

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by bi-seasonal rainfall cool we got a lot of cool stuff in North America yeah we take it it's just we

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don't think about because we live here everywhere else yes oh God you really you did this on

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purpose I did I'm gonna look at it for a second the the drosophilia

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met Larry met Larry Metzler do you know what it is I mean I know what it is I

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don't know how to say it Joseph Fila met Larry better known as the Sonoran Desert fly that's what we should have led with

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I'm throwing this one in here too just for fun drosophila medley drosophila drosophila

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met Larry yeah better known as the Sonoran Desert flight actually managed to find a way to survive the Sonoran

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Desert using rotting cacti its ability to detoxify the liquid spilled by

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rotting cacti and uses the soil to breathe so it's actually I mean it's kind of interesting it's this fly can

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only live in this part of the world because it has to have

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um the special kind of chemicals that come from that specific rotting Cactus that's crazy and if and you know there's

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probably some other bird or something that relies on that thing yeah to stay

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alive and then something else eats that bird and yeah all for an area that's pretty much uninhabitable unless you

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have all these very special traits yeah alongside the Oasis in the Colorado desert one of the sections of the

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Sonoran desert grows the only native Palm in California this poem is called California fan palm

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or the Washington washingtonia Philip fera filifara

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and grows up to 15 to 20 meters or 49 to 66 feet tall and three to six meters or

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10 to 20 feet wide we're introducing meters for our foreign audience yes uh you can be fined ten

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thousand dollars for transplanting that tree I'm like Saguaro Saguaro without a

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proper license Arizona's protected plants law uh the Sonoran Desert receives more rainfall than any other

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desert it receives approximately 10 inches a year on average due to its proximity to the ocean the eastern part

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of the Sonora Desert the Baja area receives 10 to 12 inches that's really cool I didn't know all those things

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about the desert yeah there you don't even think about the Sonoran Desert I don't I don't think about a lot of

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deserts I think about the African one because it used to be a tropical rainforest way

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back so that's always cool to me um climate so Sonoran Desert is an arid

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subtropical climate as you could have guessed but intersperse between the Mojave and the chahua

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we this is another one people that hate our pronunciation are

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really gonna have a hard time we have to put a trigger warning at the beginning I don't care I always say that

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but I like Chihuahuan Chihuahua Chihuahua that's I know and I'm so bad

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at it because I'm trying to think and talk and I'm not smart enough to do both the Sonoran Desert receives the frequent

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low intensity winners uh in December January Reigns of the former as well as the violent summer of July and August or

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Monsoon thunderstorms of the latter winter precipitation occurs when a low pressure uh tro trough develops over the

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western United States pushing the prevailing Pacific storm tracks south over the Sonoran Desert annual

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precipitation in the Sonoran Desert averages from 76 to 500 millimeters or 3

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to 20 inches depending on the location with substantial inner and intra-annual variability in timing and quantity

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precipitation is typically much higher with elevation due to the orographic effects of the sky islands with sizable

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portions occurring at snowfall as snowfall interesting I had to put I put this in here just so people know I

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didn't know what it was what the orographic effect is the orographic effect creates deserts by ensuring that

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the leeward slopes of a mountain range always experience very little precipitation or the orographic effect

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is the phenomenon which mountain ranges Force an air mass to gain altitude so I always thought that was rain shadow is

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that just like the official word for rain shadow I don't know but basically it just forces warmer moist air higher

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in elevation and it gets colder and yeah it shoots the clouds up so they can't go across and drop water they just drop on

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the top of the mountain and they're out of water yep uh so the Sonoran is a hot desert summer

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air temperatures routinely exceed 40 degrees Celsius or 104 degrees Fahrenheit and often reach 118 degrees

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Fahrenheit or 48 degrees Celsius these high near surface temperatures interact with cool moist air in the

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atmosphere to produce violent thunderstorms of the summer monsoons as moisture on the soil surface and near

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surface air evaporate following a storm temperatures may drop to 50 degrees or 10 degrees Celsius this is crazy I

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didn't know this that's cold 50 degrees Fahrenheit in minutes yeah that's like yeah that's a 50 reduction swing in

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minutes that's insane you would feel like that would feel really weird yeah yes it would

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winter temperatures are mild with Valley bottoms typically free of frost while

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the surrounding mountains may have dense snow cover at higher elevations and north and east aspects during any season

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dernal swings of 15 degrees Celsius or 59 degrees Fahrenheit are more or more

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are common as dry atmosphere and relatively low vegetation cover facilitate re-radiation of daytime heat

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into the atmosphere overnight deserts are cool they are cool they seem

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so arid and like pointless yeah but like they're like it's I remember I was

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watching uh or it was like Earth at night it was a Netflix and they go over like the

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different uh ecosystems at night and the stuff that deserts do when it gets dark out is insane yeah it it is cool I the

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only hike I've really done in a desert environment was Canyonlands where you almost died

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um but I would love to get I would love to see like Death Valley yeah um a lot of these places oh we take the

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show on the road we'll go yeah to rain geography is mostly broad flat values with widely scattered smallmount ranges

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of mostly Baron Rock there's also a sand sea the Grand deserto and the

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spectacular pinacate volcanic field the valleys are dominated by low shrubs

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primarily chrisot uh chrisote crusote Bush uh I'm not gonna read that I'm

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really hitting you with a lot of yeah you are and the white bursage uh these are the two most drought teller plants

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in North America are those are those the ones that roll uh that create the Tumbleweeds tumbleweeds I have no clue

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yeah I have no idea I just I'm just guessing uh the Sonoran Desert is home to numerous biomes you wouldn't expect for

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a desert tundra conference Forest temperate uh deciduous deciduous forest

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grasslands chaparral chaparral desert Thorn scrub and tropical forest we've

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like switched rolls here normally you're having trouble with words and I'm teasing you I'm feeling good today this is just yeah you're feeling good you're

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like I loaded it up you're screwed so what are the types of dangers outside of just being in the desert uh some of the

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animals you have a bark scorpion Bobcats coyotes desert tortoise diamondback

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rattlesnakes gila monsters mule deer and the tarantula so I also I sent some

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oh I don't have that in did I miss putting that in here um I had some oh it's down here further

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kind of tips to do if you get bit by rattlesnake all right we'll get to that one okay sorry does it suck it out yeah

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yeah that was the old way yeah um tips for safely hiking in the

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surrounded desert avoid hiking in temps over 89 degrees so you never want to sit on a hike if the temps are already past

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90. above 90 is considered in the danger zone you'll start hearing Kenny Loggins

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point you beat me a Kenny Loggins reference I'm going to pause real quick I saw a meme that was hilarious and it

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was the cover of Kenny Loggins Christmas album called December and it was it said I was really disappointed to see that

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Kenny Loggins named his album December and not highway to the manger Zone

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solid Christmas Kenny loggin joke that's awesome so all right even with the dry

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weather it can feel much hotter with the intense Sunshine most trailheads have temperature gauge which will let you

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know the risk level based on the current Temps so if it's over 89 do not attempt yes

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you want to head out at Sunrise the massive difference between the low and the high temperature today can vary by

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as much as 30 degrees because of the ground absorbing the sun's heat all day Sunrise hikes are preferable to Sunset

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hikes it's much much cooler in the morning hours not to mention quieter and less crowded as well keep it short first

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time desert hikers will want to keep it short this also goes for anyone hiking during the hot summer season with the

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intense Sunshine heat dry conditions uneven rocks Landscapes a desert hike can feel much longer you're going to

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want to bring lots of water for very obvious reasons and you also want to bring some salty food or snacks it's

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important you eat more salty snacks to restore electrolytes especially if you're drinking extra water because if

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you don't have electrolytes the water won't absorb into your body or you can bring electrolyte infused water yeah if

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you're rich you can buy especially energy Cubes at all sports stores that simply pack your own trail mix pretzels

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crackers peanut butter packets a few recommendations and choice for longer hikes you want to carry an electrolyte

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replacement drink or energy bar now what to do if you see a rattlesnake

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if you're our buddy Ben you jump 15 feet in the air and you have a vertical that

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beats most NBA players due to Adrenaline yes uh when you see it but the best way

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to avoid getting bit is to watch where you put your feet so you don't have to jump at a five foot vertical away from

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it that's how people get bit by putting their hands and feet in a place without looking first yeah that's the real the

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easiest way to prevent a rattlesnake bite is just do what we've always kind of said be aware of your surroundings

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when you're hiking they're usually just sunning themselves and chilling yeah you know their colors kind of blend in with

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the ground so it might not be obvious that there's a rattlesnake near where

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you're standing um so you'll find out if you get it wrong yeah if you do get bit so if you

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do get it wrong realize that you have lots of time and the bite is very rarely fatal this is news to me it's a serious

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thing and you need to seek immediate medical attention but you don't want to run you want you don't want to get your heart rate up ah that makes sense just

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quickly but call me make your way to the hospital by driving yourself or calling 9-1-1 and get yourself to a place where

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they can monitor you and give you appropriate treatment yeah so I I knew you didn't want to

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panic and get your heart rate up I I don't remember that it you know I thought it was a little more serious

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obviously it is serious but yeah I think um it must be a slower reaction than some poison well and they make little

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plunger devices that will suck it out yeah and from what I remember reading in my manuals is you can make actually take

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a knife and make two small slits over the Fang marks okay with a knife which won't feel good but if you're gonna if

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you can't get to a hospital yeah and then it will open up the the skin more and then you can place a suction device

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and pull it out okay because I do know how the snake venom kills use it clots your blood oh so like if there you can

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go on YouTube and see it they'll put snake venom in with blood and it like clots it up immediately so I'm assuming if that clot travels up to your heart

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that's how it kills you could also tourniquet yourself to slow it 100 you can do that

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cool so be aware scorpions scorpions are nocturnal creatures so you're unlikely to see one on the trail unless you are

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hiking at night if you do come across one do keep your distance I've been stung by a scorpion it sucks it's like

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10 bees stinging in the same spot I bet uh we're the right type of clothing closed toe hiking and athletic shoes

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long sleeved shirts and long pants in light colors and wide brim hat provide

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the best protection now people never understand this yeah you do not want your skin exposed it burns and when your

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skin burns it releases more water than sweating yeah so if your Skin's exposed to the sun even if it's not burning yet

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you release more water than sweating when it's covered and have you ever tried hiking when you're sunburned or

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trying to sleep on a like a crappy tent when you're swimming sand with in the machine it's hot it's not fun yeah you

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want sunburn back and then sleep on sandpaper yeah that's what's gonna happen if you don't dress appropriately

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um there you go let's let's learn about Dan we're learning about so our uh subject of this case is Daniel Robinson

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um he was 24 years old he went missing on June 23rd of 2023. he was a male uh

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African-American 21. oh wait June 23 hasn't happened yet

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sorry he was uh he went missing on June 23 of 2021.

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he was five foot eight 165 pounds he was brown eyes a black hair

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he grew up in Columbia South Carolina uh we don't know he didn't really have any

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gear on him because he wasn't out hiking he was actually on the job so um safe to assume unless he had

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something in his car he didn't have any survival gear with him um he uh family and friends said he was

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a keen Outdoorsman musician and traveler who was always close with his family uh and remain in constant contact with

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his parents and siblings he did have I guess you could call this a medical issue part of his right forearm and hand

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were missing as a result of a birth defect so um yeah but it's not new so he's

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probably like no somebody probably with it just fine with it that's their reality they he didn't know what it was

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like with two hands so I'm sure he probably functioned just fine yeah um if it was like a recent injury or

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something then it would maybe be of note so he uh graduated from uh College of Charleston in 2019 with a major in

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archeology he then attended a course in Tucson and soon after was offered a job by the engineering firm Matrix new world

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and that's where he ended up uh be he was I guess his title was geologist and

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he was working on a well which I'm assuming is a water well though I I I don't know I I don't think there's

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oil in that part of Arizona but I could be wrong yeah if they're by the city I'm

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guessing it was working in the well so we'll jump right into timeline that is kind of just a little uh quick

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description of Daniel himself so it's June 23rd 2021 around between 9 15 and 9

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30 A.M Daniel Robinson his co-worker Ken Elliott who was a pump technician were

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assessing a remote drill site in the snoring desert west of Phoenix it was kind of located near the Town of Buckeye

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Arizona yeah I got that pulled up but Joe has pulled up for anyone watching this on YouTube

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uh this was only his second day on the job uh Ken would go on to describe to

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authorities that Daniel was initially fine as they discussed things like the weather and the job

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uh Ken Elliott went on to say that it was an abnormally cool day for the area and Ken had never met Robinson before

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and they were to work on a deep well but within a short period Robinson became distracted

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um Elliott went on to quote he was just looking off into the desert he had a very very distant look in his eyes

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whenever he whenever he'd turn around again I would look at him and he'd look into his eyes the first thing I thought

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was maybe it was drugs or something but his pupils weren't dilated from that standpoint everything appeared to be

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normal then I thought this was a medical condition or something I wasn't too sure

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I kept watching him but he just kept turning around and looking off into the desert then he just turned around and

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walked back over to his Jeep and I just assumed he was going to get something out of his vehicle and he

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opened the door got in sat down put on a seat belt then looked at me and just waved uh backed up and took off

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at that point Robinson drove off in his blue Jeep Renegade Elliott told his

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co-workers by phone about uh phone what had happened and assuming that Daniel wasn't feeling well and would call in

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sick however no one heard from Daniel after that he was reported missing to the Buckeye Police Department the same

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day Elliott later followed Daniel's Jeep tracks uh in the rain soaked dirt around

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uh in the rain so let me start that over I'm having

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trouble now it has been like a month since we've done this yes it's always a little off

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Elliott later followed Daniel's cheap tire tracks in the rain soaked dirt road

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and found that instead of going left at a t-junction uh to Phoenix he actually

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went right deeper into the Sonoran Desert so first problem there's Phoenix is not

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that far away from where I mean they're in a remote area but you know One Direction takes it to a huge City in the

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other direction just off into nothing there's literally nothing the other direction so

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um the search and rescue operation kicked off pretty quick in this case uh

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it was led by the Buckeye Police Department they had a lot of different assets at their disposal they were using utvs

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cadaver dog uh cadaver dogs Searchers on foot and drones flying overhead along

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with assistance in the air from the Phoenix Firebird helicopters and the Civil Air Patrol but the Civil Air

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Patrol actually didn't check in until later uh in the search okay and I think

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Joe will show some pictures uh that we have of the search and of uh Daniel

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himself so it is now June 24th of 2021

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uh Tempe Police were dispatched to check Robinson's apartment on June 24th but they actually never went inside

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so the search continued for several weeks family members traveled from the

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East Coast Arizona to join the search which at this point had covered an area

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of 70 square miles so this is it's just nothing yeah so like look at this map

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it's like okay I don't know where that is so I mean that looks like I think

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it's got the roads named um that might be the West Cactus Road yeah all right let's see if I can find

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West Cactus Road so your original map that you had pulled up you had the junction of the Parkway and West Cactus

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Road yeah so it's not that one no that zoomed

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in the Buckeye it's kind of north of Buckeye

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so I think I see what it so one of the roads has to be the parkway what's that

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that's a yeah Valley Parkway s Sun Valley Parkway yeah so that where that

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road intersects with um the other road is kind of where they were so there you go Sun Valley Parkway

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Buckeye Arizona that's a good start oh yeah it's way over there we go that makes more sense yep but yeah it's desolate oh my gosh

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yeah it's there's nothing about train tracks or is that no that's that's the parkway okay this is just like a dirt

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road that goes parallel so that is a whole lot of nothing whole lot of nothing

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um and so like I said family members were uh

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flying out from the east coast and the search area now was up to uh 70 square miles

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detectives did say they had obtained a ping from Daniel's phone but were unable to track it due to the phone being off

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or out of range so the law enforcement actually was able to get a warrant to get phone records

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and they learned that he had not that's right here okay that's a substation so they last

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saw him on the road and the job site was up here yeah right

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here so yeah very remote and we actually have a video of a gentleman from

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um websleuths who actually went out here and recorded um there it is oh is that the one this

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is the job site yeah so yeah we have a video we'll just kind of

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play in the background of kind of the area to give you a sense of how desolate and remote this area is

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um oh no this is this is it sorry oh is that the pumpkin that's the pump yeah or the drill site yep uh so like I

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said uh police were able to obtain call records for Daniel and they learned that he had not made any calls or texts after

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leaving the job site um detectives along with Daniel's family worked to obtain phone and financial

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information but did not locate any information which would Aid in locating

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him uh what map you got up here this might just be a surgery is it yeah

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it's a search grid zoomed out yeah that was the job site so the guy police yeah so it's just farther out it's just

32:16

a grid map yep of like this view right here yeah

32:23

um so that search would have been terrible yeah um so uh

32:29

like I said they didn't find any financial information or any phone records from his personal or work phone

32:34

sense his disappearance um his family and friends and co-workers

32:40

said that in the days prior to his disappearance he was not like himself but said there is no indication that he

32:45

wished harm um to himself or wanted to leave the area several mine shafts were actually

32:52

searched in the area too but there was no sign of Daniel and we had some pictures at the police department posted

32:59

a few pictures of the mine search I think if you go out one folder okay

33:05

um thanks Jeff search you did a great job labeling

33:10

so oh yeah he's looking in the mine shaft yep looking in there he is so there you go um probably some kind of camera on the

33:17

end of that string so yep um but yeah so they search mine

33:22

shafts and obviously didn't find anything um we have a press release from the Buckeye Police Department uh Buckeye

33:29

Police conducted targeted Searchers this week in an effort to locate Daniel Robinson who has been missing since June

33:34

23rd these searches took place in the desert area where Daniel's vehicle was

33:40

recovered we didn't get to that yet um investigators focused on locations where volunteer search Crews reported

33:46

their tracking dogs had previously alerted uh Buckeye Buckeyes PD uh did follow up

33:52

with searches and they found no evidence of Daniel today investigators use a robot equipped

33:58

with a camera to search two mine shafts one of them more than 75 feet deep they also found no sign of Daniel so kind of

34:06

interesting they were using some kind of robot to search the mine shaft

34:12

um so now it is July 7th of 2021 and police actually finally entered

34:19

Robinson's home roughly two weeks after he was reported missing and didn't find any evidence

34:27

um leading to them to they didn't they didn't find any evidence

34:32

to his whereabouts so nothing out of the order oh they're like still thinking maybe he's not in it like maybe he just

34:38

left and went home and didn't tell anybody yeah at this point um his car had not been found yet so

34:44

they really had no theories they thought like all right man he just drove off a weird way and yeah he got home so

34:50

um this is also around the time when the Civil Air Patrol which that's a weird SAR situation where they're not even

34:56

sure if the person's actually missing yeah I mean that's a tough I mean

35:03

he drove down a dirt road into a a desert like in

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a in in the conditions were pretty wet so tracks probably weren't preserved I mean what do you do

35:16

[ __ ] yeah I give them credit for the size of the search with the limited

35:21

information they they had so um oh now you're pulling up stuff

35:28

so uh it is now July 19th of 2021 so

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almost a month after Daniel disappeared a Rancher called um a Rancher by the name of Brandon

35:39

Shelton found his 27g 2017 Jeep Renegade with uh the license plate nla 2 CMA in a

35:47

ravine it was just four miles from the work site where he was last seen But

35:53

Daniel was not at the scene the Jeep had landed on its side with significant damage uh police said the

35:59

seat belt had been worn at the time and the airbags were found deployed one of Robinson's size 11 and a half Red Wing

36:06

work boots was stuck under the truck Shelton whose cattle graze 14 000 acres

36:12

in the Buckeye area is convinced the car had only been in the ravine that leads

36:18

to the the river on his property a short while when he came across it saying it

36:23

was clean and my cows would have been would have found it cows are inquisitive creatures and would have licked it so

36:29

he uh he thinks it was relatively clean but the family actually hired a private

36:34

investigator and they've they went into the black box of the Jeep and it doesn't

36:41

seem like the Jeep had been wait there's a black box in Jeeps black there's a black box in all cars like really pretty

36:49

sure yeah I can tell you like or is it like just the car's computer well it's not like a black box and an

36:54

airplane okay that's what you made me think I'm like it's not like recording like conversations in the in the cabin

36:59

of the car but it's like what radio stations you've been listening it records like the time of an accident okay um things like that I did not know

37:06

that yeah um that's kind of cool and creepy yeah I'm probably wrong on it I I thought

37:13

almost all cars you keep talking I'll look it up and I'll correct you if I saw other people uh so like we said the the

37:20

Rancher thinks the jeep was there you know pretty recently but I have my

37:25

doubts about when the Jeep got there just based on what the private investigator found but the jeep was

37:31

found in an area that had already been searched with police saying because of the rough terrain the vehicle was not clearly visible to Crews searching by

37:38

Aaron Foote uh the vehicle contained Robinson's clothes phone wallet keys and

37:43

a bottle of water t-shirt jeans turned inside out shorts orange work vests boots

37:50

and uh two mismatched black socks were all located one of the sacks was a Nike and the other uh was an Adidas

37:57

according to police this is strange the cell phone was missing a memory card and

38:02

wiped clean however police were reportedly able to still download some files from the phone which showed he was

38:08

texting a girl and showed up at her home and I actually have more information on

38:13

that as well coming up so here's a little more detail from real quick you

38:19

are correct car Black Box uh collects driving information before during and after Collision

38:25

there you go the devices formal name is the event data recorder there we go I I thought it's speed acceleration braking

38:31

steering and airbag activation are recorded yeah it's not like continuously recording yeah it says it does like 20

38:38

seconds before an accident so it's probably a rolling record so it says deleting constantly until a thing

38:44

happens any given point it has 20 seconds of data and then if an accident happens then it starts recording yeah so

38:51

it said it they can generally generally record up to only three events

38:56

before older events automatically erase themselves cool neat so I didn't know about that the more you know oh and you

39:02

can remove them legally there's no law that says you can't so if you don't want that in your car uh look up how to

39:08

remove it and it won't affect your car's driving according to the website I looked up all right uh so so we do actually have the police

39:16

report for this disappearance and we've got some more detailed information on the condition of the vehicle uh do you

39:22

notice how I thought like finding a car in the desert would be easy look at that that's the car zoom in on that that's

39:28

the car that's as far as let me Zoom that would be incredibly hard to see from the air yeah and someone on web

39:34

sleuths said that the law in Arizona and this may be in everywhere in the U.S but

39:41

specifically in this area is the search helicopters were not allowed to go below 500 feet

39:47

so there's all probably messes with the ecosystem I don't know if it it might just be a law that they can't fly that

39:54

low so that's my guess is because it'll like rip up shrubs and stuff all the sand but yeah for whatever reason we

39:59

don't know why they can't go below 500 feet and I'm not 100 positive on that

40:05

law maybe Joe can uh look that up I'm looking it up but if that is true that

40:11

would make a lot of sense why they may have missed this because that picture you showed that first that was lower

40:16

than 500 feet so that was probably like a drone shot from the cops I've been looking at that picture all day and didn't know the car was in it

40:22

well Mike it literally has a big red arrow pointing go back to the other one

40:28

so yeah giant red arrow pointing to where the car is in the Ravine I you know I don't know what else oh this

40:35

could be 500 feet and then uh uh zoomed in like in like a camera yeah so let's

40:41

guess real quick um why they can't I'm gonna go with it just kicks up too

40:48

much sand and you think it would like go into the rotors and actually yeah or obscure the Pilot's ability to fly it

40:55

um okay is it a real law I'm I'm not there yet I'm just saying let's guess before we go so while Joe's looking that

41:01

up I will give a more detailed description of the vehicle per the police report so uh the vehicle is facing Northwest the

41:09

vehicle had significant damage and appeared to have had a front impact with the dirt and rolled before rusting on

41:15

the passenger side one piece of the Jeep's black removable roof was on the ground partially wedged under the front

41:22

of the Jeep the driver's front window was shattered and uh I the police detective writing this

41:31

report located glass on the ground consistent with the Jeep rolling one time there was also substantial damage

41:37

to the lower front end and damage to the top of the windshield and roof after some further investigation detectives

41:43

believe that Daniel's vehicle left the dirt roadway where it ended south of his job site near an open dirt area and

41:51

proceeded up the hillside it appeared that he drove over several bushes before ending up in the Ravine the vehicle was

41:58

still in drive when it was found I observed a pair of jeans inside out two brown work type boots a faded orange

42:05

vest with the company logo a T-shirt and two socks which were inside out I could see the outline of what appeared to be a

42:12

wallet in the pocket of the jeans I walked the same path to the vehicle which

42:17

redacted had walked and did not observe any person inside the vehicle it was relatively clean

42:22

the outside um clean on the outside but there had been three or more big rains in the area

42:29

since Daniel went missing there was evidence of rain damage on the inside of the Jeep and a hard hat inside was

42:36

filled with rain water I located Daniel's Samsung Galaxy S10 cell phone the vehicle

42:43

and Apartment keys and a backpack with Daniel's work laptop and other documents inside there were also other

42:50

miscellaneous items inside the car like clothing a basketball unopened water bottles and other items

42:57

I did not observe any blood or other evidence of an injury despite the substantial damage to the vehicle I

43:04

checked the Aryan did not observe any indication that Daniel spent a considerable amount of time at the vehicle there were no empty water

43:10

bottles or other items other than Daniel's clothing in the area there were no tracks immediately surrounding the

43:16

vehicle that weren't made by the caller or detectives so uh the Ravine was searched On The Ground

43:22

by foot and in the air by the Department of Public Safety Ranger helicopter but they found no trace of Robinson and like

43:29

the police report said there was no blood found uh in the car and there was no indication of Foul Play so very

43:36

strange circumstance okay with the cars so how was the hunt going for

43:42

I am deep into some dhs.gov laws about uh Sonoran Pronghorn yeah uh

43:50

but I don't know if there's a law yet okay well but they said

43:55

um engine failure can occur dust and sand get kicked up in the engine so it might just be less of a law and more

44:01

like it's very dangerous to fly helicopter low altitudes in the desert because it can suck up into the engines

44:07

and you get engine failure yeah so either way I heard that on the web sleuths form I A lot of times it's a

44:15

great tool to find a lot of people post news articles and police reports and things so um

44:23

whether this gentleman who said that it's true or not but it does make sense in a very Sandy Dusty environment that

44:31

um you wouldn't want to fly too low because well and the other thing you know I'm thinking of is if you're kicking up all that dust and dirt you're

44:37

not gonna be able to see what you're searching for yeah cover tracks and things like that so you probably want to be high enough that you don't disturb

44:43

the ground because that would hamper your ability to conduct the search so yeah um

44:48

all right so fast forward now to July 31st oh uh Joe do you want to play a

44:54

little snippet of that video yeah and then we'll just let it run yeah this is we'll hear some audio in the beginning

45:02

um but this guy went to all the sites the job site where he was last seen and then where the collections my name is

45:08

Jeff Brunton I go by JJ Ray on web sleuths and just Jeff AZ on IG and

45:15

pixels.com [Music] I thought after so many months of

45:22

working on a Daniel Robinson case I would come out and show everybody pretty much the main sites and the key

45:31

points right now I'm at Cactus and Sun Valley

45:37

Parkway and I'm facing west and you can kind of see

45:43

just pretty much the general terrain a lot of creosote bushes small mosquitoes

45:49

up in this area they get larger further down toward the Hacienda I'm

45:55

panning South now and basically about five miles south from

46:01

here is tartesso subdivision and if we keep painting and we go to the southeast

46:07

and we Face East these are the White Tank Mountains it's the most predominant

46:13

feature closest to the work site the well side and to the wreck site further

46:21

north to the north east we're facing

46:26

is Festival development by Dale Webb directly north

46:32

you're going to find a cap central Arizona

46:39

pass over the freeway yeah we've got some Luke here

46:44

because he's just going to over explain the whole area but yeah for those of you just listening he's just spinning around

46:49

in a circle at that road uh Cactus rotary mentioned off the freeway section and you heard there's there's some

46:55

traffic so it's not like it's it's in the middle of nowhere this isn't where the this is like a mile south or

47:01

something like that yeah so the site you looked it up is more remote yeah it's you have to get off the beaten path but

47:07

it's not like they're it's weird because they're out in the middle of nowhere but like there's a highway yeah right within

47:14

a couple miles and he's in a car so it's not CR like he drove 20 miles on a dirt

47:20

road to the middle of nowhere yeah it's you know only several miles off and I mean there's decent traffic when he was

47:26

filming this video so it's kind of weird it's like in between I don't know it's desolate but it's very

47:33

Highway that you can get out of there yeah like it wouldn't getting lost would be hard in a car if you're on the roads

47:39

it seems like this is my opinion but based on looking at this yeah it's desolate but

47:46

there's there's dirt roads entirely I mean you could get lost if you drove down some of these dirt roads they probably go for dozens of Miles yeah and

47:53

you don't know where you're going but um yeah I agree I mean and that's why it's puzzling because Daniel didn't

48:00

drive towards Phoenix he drove West deeper into the desert so

48:06

um so I'm gonna go on with the timeline here so like I said we're fast we're into July 31st of 2021 and a human skull

48:13

was found actually uh but they did further testing and determined that it

48:18

was not Daniels and the identity of whoever skull it was Still Remains

48:24

unknown so they found another um missing person potentially this is

48:31

like the third or fourth episode where they went searching for one person just found other people yeah it's it's a

48:37

little a little spooky yeah so around the end of July of 2021 the family hired

48:43

a private investigator um his name was Jim McGrath he was a former police officer who specialized in

48:50

accident investigations based on GPS data he discovered that the Jeep had gotten into multiple accidents after

48:57

Daniel's disappearance uh but before it fell down the Ravine evidence from the

49:03

vehicle showed that it crashed the airbags were deployed then it drove another 11 miles and was involved in

49:09

another crash first Collision was four hours after Daniel went missing while there was also

49:17

some paint transfer from the vehicle after the first accident though it's unknown whether it's unknown where the

49:25

vehicle was taken next McGrath said that the airbags were deployed the ignition was turned on at least 46 more times

49:33

during the extra 11 miles driven so very erratic Behavior

49:39

um you know Dr in a car so to to recap that it they discovered that it got into

49:45

multiple accidents before it ended up in the ravine and um I wonder what the sensitivity is

49:52

because if he was off-roading yeah like were they recorded as accidents but it was just

49:58

I would imagine it's probably they've probably engineered it to be I really wish I still have my Jeep yeah

50:05

because after I jumped it off that jump I'd love to see if that was recorded as an accident right because everything in

50:10

the car hit the ceiling my guess is there's sensors throughout the car that have to record some kind of collision

50:17

yeah but like we said it was uh then driven for another 11 miles and involved

50:23

in another crash and the first Collision like I said it only happened four hours

50:28

after Daniel went missing so um something strange happened uh it is now

50:36

oh so that is kind of the end of the timeline um his remains haven't been found and

50:44

uh very strange circumstances around his Jeep being found and then like we said

50:49

January 7th of 2023 just a few days ago um we're recording this on January 10th

50:55

of 2023. human Reigns were found by a Facebook user named Penny Buffington I

51:03

uh I put the picture in the drive but I wouldn't show it right now um a lot of people online some of the

51:08

news organizations showed it and people got pretty upset it's not even related to the case yeah like technically if

51:15

they already determined it's not him yeah so I would say you know it's somebody's parents or brother or sister

51:21

we're not gonna show it I mean if you really want to go see it it's some of the major news channels out of Arizona

51:27

have it on their website so yeah you can do that on your own time if you so

51:32

choose um the father who has come out and said that these aren't Daniel's remains and I

51:40

believe he's not basing this on probably DNA evidence yet because it there's no way

51:46

that's been conducted um based on what was found in Daniel's car it sounds like he stripped his

51:52

clothing off and it sounds like the remains that were just found had clothing either

51:59

on the remains or around where the bones were found yeah so

52:05

um I'll back up on that there's a nice still of the a lot of play through so uh we we will

52:13

find out at some point they will they'll get those those bones analyzed and we'll know yeah we can do an update uh yeah so

52:20

we'll update everyone so before Joe and I get into theories uh

52:26

oh yeah so yeah yeah that's a major quite a rich

52:33

and you can clearly see that it it got in accidents before going into that

52:38

Ravine unless it was rolling well the Black Box said it got into multiple

52:43

accidents well that's where that's where I'm wondering so I'm gonna to just because this is funny

52:49

here is oh

52:54

so is that an accident hold on let's let's get audio

53:00

let me rest how do I restart it here we go ready because you can hear it oh my God

53:07

[Music] it slammed down and everything like I

53:13

was worried stuff broken it I'm wondering if that would record as an accident because I mean I got quite a bit of air on that your airbags didn't

53:19

deploy I feel like good point if that if that was like the precursor yeah or to

53:24

work so um I just wanted to show you I just love I want like 20 000 people to know I did

53:32

that in the Jeep that's really why yeah don't yeah you owned it wink wink yes

53:37

you're not supposed to say the wink wink

53:43

so investigators believe something triggered Robinson to go into the desert

53:49

where he stripped off and wandered away from his car but Jeff McGrath said that theory made no sense he goes on to quote

53:57

if you're delirious and ripped off all your clothes and wandered into the desert you wouldn't stick one of your

54:02

shoes under the car my personal theory is that someone deliberately wrecked that vehicle out there McGrath believes

54:08

Robinson was upset about the rejection of a woman and went on an all-night video game binge

54:14

so the Buckeye Police reports what's the like the basis for that well I'm getting to it okay I was like that's a very

54:21

specific thing to say and I haven't heard anything so far that would yeah uh a buckeye police report states that

54:27

Daniel met a woman named Caitlyn while he was making deliveries for instacart and dropped off an order for her uh home

54:35

uh Caitlyn said she and her friend were drunk and they invited Robinson inside and they later exchanged numbers within

54:41

a week he arrived at her house unannounced and began signing her text saying I couldn't stop thinking about

54:46

you and I love you she tried to rebuff him by saying honestly you showing up at

54:51

my house unannounced made me extremely uncomfortable I don't see us hanging out anytime soon the next day he turned up

54:59

at her house again do you he wrote do you hate me um Daniel replied I don't I don't hate

55:06

you but please leave me alone that's Caitlyn replied uh in a text he took 15

55:12

hours to respond with his final texture 18 hours after after that final text he

55:17

disappeared McGrath said of the events after he drove off at that point I think somebody

55:24

not a good person found him I can't imagine what they did with him but I believe his vehicle was crashed a couple

55:31

of times and then its final rest was at the bottom of the Ravine McGrath found another black Nike sock three miles away

55:37

in the desert he cannot explain it but it is another reason he believes there is more to this case than meets the eye

55:44

McGrath and Daniel's family believe the Buckeye Police did not carry out a thorough investigation into Robinson's

55:50

mysterious disappearance they pointed out that Daniel's closed possessions and Carr were handed over to his father as

55:57

soon as he arrived in Arizona however Robinson's brother Roger believes police are doing what they can

56:03

to find him now but he fears it's too little too late had they been quick about it in the beginning you know we

56:09

wouldn't be here three months later still searching for my brother and still looking for answers so

56:16

that is the case of Daniel Robinson Okay so

56:21

what do you think happened this is um

56:27

making me remember of the last time we had someone just run off in the deserts Terence yeah that was North though

56:34

wasn't that that wasn't isn't that Washington State Wyoming Wyoming okay set for a discovery challenge okay so

56:39

that was so I immediately I'm trying to think of some reasonable theories and then some off the deep end

56:46

theories yeah um reasonable Theory

56:53

where did it say he grew up Columbia South Carolina so reasonable Theory he's working in the

57:00

desert uh it's only a second day though only a second day but he went out met a

57:06

girl apparently in the area was he out drinking Matt is uh okay but regardless

57:11

he's out partying maybe drinking not saying it's a bad thing but imagine being hung over and working in the

57:17

desert yeah um it wouldn't be fun it could make you Delirious it could make you make stupid

57:23

decisions so he you know it was an unseasonably cool day as far as that what's on yeah as far as deserts go yeah

57:31

um and if he's like in the throes of some heartbreak because he wants to meet this girl and she's rejecting him like

57:36

you combined all that stuff and I think it's hard for I'll say us to realize because I don't think we've ever

57:42

overreacted to a girl before yeah and I knew youth through college we never had but like you know in college when you

57:48

meet the dudes who would fall apart yeah over a girl like would literally like go

57:54

a little crazy well look at throughout history like in general but I'm just saying like young men men have started

57:59

Wars over women yes I mean but I'm just saying like we've all known dudes who've like kind of lost it temp rarely for a

58:05

few days so if he's in the middle of this getting rejected not feeling secure

58:10

maybe hungover and again I'm this is all speculation I'm making stuff up here because I'm just trying to make sense

58:16

maybe he had an undiagnosed um psychological issue that nobody knew about you know he's under stress working

58:23

in hot conditions um and just maybe he's like I'm gonna go for a drive and I tell him maybe he's

58:29

completely delirious and goes and just drives off and he's smashing around in

58:36

the desert like just kind of driving violently yeah maybe he just got angry and he just like went 100 miles an hour

58:41

down a dirt road and like lost it yeah I think that it doesn't explain the multiple crashes it does explain the

58:47

multiple crashes or where he went yeah or did he crash uh well actually they

58:52

kind of does because he crash like that looking at the car I'm gonna I'm not sharing my screen anymore so I'll pull that back up

58:58

um I mean it's wedged in there pretty crazily so if he just climbed out of

59:04

there um maybe he was hot and he's like I'm gonna take my clothes off and go wander

59:09

off into the desert well maybe he was dehydrated at this point and was starting to think clearly he's making bad decisions and he's like the fact

59:15

that he found his sock three miles away from the crash site leads me to think he and do they know it

59:21

was his though no see that's where yeah but it was a Nike sock it was a Nike sock and who else was out there yeah in

59:27

that spot so it could be but again it's just that to me is like a reasonable explanation what could have happened

59:33

that's a lot of what ifs to come together to make that happen yeah um more off the deep end I immediately

59:40

started looking up if there's the vortices in that area oh no vile vortices yeah I remember those so like I

59:47

know in Sedona they claim that there's that stuff there there's the energy that makes you think weird and and um I've

59:54

had friends I won't say their names because they are normal I'll say normal people like not constantly into that

1:00:01

type of stuff that they went to an area in Arizona I don't

1:00:06

remember where yeah but they're vacationing there and they're doing side by side you know where you do the utvs

1:00:12

and you're driving through the desert and stuff and they both said when they got to certain

1:00:17

areas they got really angry like they were having a great time and they started

1:00:22

getting mad and they were listening to our show and they were listening to one where they started to talk about vile

1:00:28

vortices because they called me like oh my God like I don't believe in this stuff but I was in that area where you

1:00:33

guys said there was one and we felt weird yeah and they were still in the area and they like locals were like oh

1:00:39

yeah yeah you know how locals are there's a cool thing in your area so again

1:00:44

take that for what you want to take it to me that's the off the deep end of he was affected by a vile vorticity or

1:00:50

something I like the off the deep end up yeah for my off the deep end I'm gonna stick with that yeah oh you're on the

1:00:56

off the deep end train yes I think uh I think the more logical thing is

1:01:02

obviously his behavior with this woman he had just met is not normal

1:01:07

yeah she's obviously rebuffing him and he's not getting it he's still showing up so obviously he has something going

1:01:13

on there I think you know maybe other things in his life were going on at the time that people

1:01:19

weren't aware of that and this kind of thing with this woman kind of just finally he snapped

1:01:25

and he left the job site we don't know what he did before the car

1:01:32

crash but he got into multiple accidents so he must have been you know sometimes if you get Delirious with rage it causes

1:01:39

you to not think clearly that's where I've never had that happen no but I've I've seen I've seen it firsthand it

1:01:46

happens of people that start doing weird crap and you're like oh my God that combines you know combine

1:01:52

um you know a man's obsession with a woman which like Joe and I have talked

1:01:57

about we've seen with you know friends in our lives but there's ample evidence

1:02:03

throughout history of men doing incredible that's a whole different Bible because of that James

1:02:09

Bible exists because stupid of stupid decisions men throughout the history of time have done incredibly stupid things

1:02:15

over women the pursuit of women and I'm trying to think of the ruler of Rome

1:02:21

that basically started a war over Cleopatra yeah I mean

1:02:26

there's I'm sure there's medieval stories um I I don't it won't go anywhere but it

1:02:33

so combine maybe that Obsession he had with this woman you just met with me

1:02:38

just this rage that just came over him and he would cause you to be have

1:02:44

impaired driving if sure so maybe he was just flying down the road hitting stuff and smashing stuff and then lost control

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went up over this really off-roading's fun so even if he wasn't like yeah I mean I think what happened is he

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probably was dehydrated and he he hit a bunch of stuff in his car lost control

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went over this Ridge land in the Ravine probably hit his head hard enough to

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cause damage but not draw blood you know like if you hit your head really hard on the screen yeah you're not gonna bleed

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yeah it rings your bell though but probably throw you off if you're already dehydrated and you get a bad concussion yeah he is probably just in a very

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Delirious State of Mind at that point which would maybe for some reason he decided to strip his

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clothes off and walk into the desert and my guess is he just kept walking and

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they you know they had a lot of heavy rains perhaps he walked into an area that you

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know out in the desert when it rains you can get flash floods yeah like an instant and maybe his remains were

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washed away in one of the flash floods yeah uh George uh land talks about that he's a Pio of uh right in the area

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Joshua tree so like in a heavy rain this Ravine probably be filled with water yeah so I think the most logical

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explanation is he he injured his head in this crash and he was probably already dehydrated

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he was filled with rage just in Delirious State he walked off into the desert succumbed to the elements and

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then I wonder if that delirium would be similar to when you um have oh what's the cold thing I am

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off today I can't think hypo or hype Earth um because I've experienced that

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firsthand with people I was hiking with I'm sure I've told this on the show but I'll repeat it when I was doing Long's Peak uh with three other guys

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um I was staying back with one guy to wait for someone who's behind on the trail as a storm hit yeah so because we

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didn't want to leave them in white out conditions while two other guys continued on so we stayed we stayed paired we followed our rules and they

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were going to go set up the camp ahead of us yeah and it was raining like sleeting so you're getting wet

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and it started getting real cold and when we started coming up around this Bend you know they're 20 minutes

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ahead of us yeah they were walking back and they were dressed completely differently and we literally like and these are guys

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I've known forever they're great hikers they know what they're doing and I'm like where are you guys going like they

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should have been at camp and they're like we're going back to the car because our clothes are wet we're five hours into a hike we're nowhere near the car

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and what they did was we got them warmed up and they told us they realized like when you're warm up they're remembering

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the decisions they're making yeah they were soaking wet and they were at the campsite instead of

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pitching the tent they took the dry clothes out of their bags in the rain yeah took off their wet clothes and put

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on their dry clothes which then got wet yeah instead of setting up the tent and then because those clothes got wet they

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were gonna hike out yeah it'd been four hours yeah and they would have yes they would have gone and and they're like I

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don't know why I did that yeah like they're they've hiked with me a ton of times and they literally could not make

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that we are at altitude they're in hypothermia they're making horrible decisions like we were like nope come

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with me like I remember foursome they're just kind of like wandering aimlessly yeah so honestly I think

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I I don't know about the foul play thing I think it's more simple than that I think it's a combination of

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he was dehydrated um yeah he's in the middle maybe he was you know yeah dehydrated in a desert

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that's going to dehydrate even more he was clearly in a bad accident multiple

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bad accidents yeah probably has a head injury no blood so not you know yeah they said his seat belt was on so it

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doesn't even getting hit in the face with the airbags like getting punched yeah so I mean I know that from being a firefighter inside of his head on the

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the side um yeah on a rollover yeah uh the contents of your car will do more damage to you than yeah with his laptop

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his work laptop all the stuff in there becomes violent projectiles so just because there's no blood you can't

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assume that he didn't suffer a serious head injury really bad concussion combined with dehydration would cause

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him to just be delirious and I think he walked off into the desert and then with the heavy rains they're having his

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remains were washed out of the search area they're probably I don't even think they have to wash out think of um Paul

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Miller's case he was found pretty dang close to the trail what a year two years later almost and they searched

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thoroughly and it's I based on that image from seeing the car from above it's hard to find stuff and I'll just

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say I did view that image of the skeleton that was found a couple days ago and

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to what you're saying the skeleton was caked in mud so it looked like oh okay

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it had been it had been moved not necessarily been moved but like muddy water had been flowing by it okay and

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you can just imagine if the remains were in a flash flood or had any muddy sand

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um you could that would make it even harder for Searchers to find the remains I

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turned the screen off so I'm gonna go like okay I'm not sharing it I did I put it out oh yeah I just I didn't open it

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yeah that's not okay that would be tough definitely hard to see from Air oh 100

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and you I'm zooming out here and like if it was the back of it it would look like

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a rock you would literally have to walk right I can't tell that that is what that is yeah you're gonna have to walk

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right by it to see it and for anyone listening or watching we're not actually showing the image just out of respect

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but I just want to make the point that yeah that it would be so hard the difficulty to find remains that have

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been um exposed to rains in this type of environment would make it really hard

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um so that's my theory I do I do like the off the deep end um vile vortices

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um I've never experienced something like that but I mean I've read lots of stories I would love to hear the

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co-worker yeah give an interview to get an idea what type of guy is not saying it's his fault I'm sure he has but those

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but the dudes at work in that kind of situation are usually hard dudes yeah they're probably like if he's all like

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complaining about a girl whatever he's like probably not being nice to him yeah maybe he's like just get back to work

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you know if he's being like aggressive maybe that tipped him over the edge again not saying it's his fault yeah it

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could have been like all the things and the straw that broke handles back because the guy's kind of not nice to him on the job site I'm just thinking

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I've worked on job sites with doing concrete and roofs and stuff yeah those guys aren't nice so that's how they're

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built yeah they'll call you names incredibly like hey why'd you give me that well you idiot like like there's not nice so if he's like in all these

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weird States and then there's some dude John like jeering him a little bit yeah he's probably like screw this crap and

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drives off yeah we know yeah we won't know um but so another another puzzling case

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but you know depending on what happens with this new skeleton that was discovered we may have closure in this

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